I have raised this before, Multi-bike Registration

[Paul in NZ]

Could that explain the bikes I have seen at Star Auctions that were single vehicle 'accidents"?

They guy there pointed out a few and said " they should have trusted the traction control and ABS instead of crashing"

Can't be that many Born Again Bikers coming thru as Jap imports killed of bikes in the early 90's

No but shed loads of people come from other big wheel bikes like trailies or some cruisers and don't get that sport bike / sport tourer geometry changed a LOT and weight transfers a bloody big deal on them. The weights carried high so under acceleration it will move back an weight the rear wheel and stop wheelspin (pre traction control). Loads of older riders on affordable moderns like our ST1050 and are still trying to ride them like their old Beemer or Norton Commando... You can get away with that up to a certain pace then it goes pear shaped fast especially when your reaction times fall away..

We had to experiment a LOT with the ST to get to grips with it including upgrading the suspension and that's something else - I honestly think a lot of ex Japan bikes are more softly sprung than Kiwi new ones and put your average Kiwi biker on them and they are positively an accident waiting to happen.

[russd7]

No but shed loads of people come from other big wheel bikes like trailies or some cruisers and don't get that sport bike / sport tourer geometry changed a LOT and weight transfers a bloody big deal on them. The weights carried high so under acceleration it will move back an weight the rear wheel and stop wheelspin (pre traction control). Loads of older riders on affordable moderns like our ST1050 and are still trying to ride them like their old Beemer or Norton Commando... You can get away with that up to a certain pace then it goes pear shaped fast especially when your reaction times fall away..

We had to experiment a LOT with the ST to get to grips with it including upgrading the suspension and that's something else - I honestly think a lot of ex Japan bikes are more softly sprung than Kiwi new ones and put your average Kiwi biker on them and they are positively an accident waiting to happen.

yup exactly on the most but the bouncy bits are quite easily explained and somit i learned when i bought the ZZR new.
most bikes come out with the bouncy bits set up for a rider of around 80kg which is fine for some young buck that no matter what he eats or drinks cant put any weight on but once ya gets a little older then things tend to expand or at least the clothes shrink and then ya probly want to chuck something on the back to keep ya warm at a rally plus all her gear and a tent so that 80 odd kg suddenly becomes 200kg (or there abouts) so then the nice sports tourer turns in to a bloody floundering whale in the corners.
all up around half a ton.

[pritch]

I honestly think a lot of ex Japan bikes are more softly sprung than Kiwi new ones and put your average Kiwi biker on them and they are positively an accident waiting to happen.

Absolutely! My Jap import dragged its arse tragically until I put the Ohlins on.

Years ago I did read the weight limit Honda set for their international team of testers. IIRC it was 82Kg.
All Honda road bikes over 250cc have to be signed off by the team.

Bikes for the Japanese home market may well be set up for riders who weigh a lot less than yer average Brit or Kiwi.

[jasonu]

Absolutely! My Jap import dragged its arse tragically until I put the Ohlins on. Years ago I read the weight limit Honda put on their international test team IIRC it was 82Kg.
Their home market bikes may be set for less than that though, the average Japanese rider probably weighs less than yer average Brit or Kiwi.

Eat less pies...
Check out the top 10 industrialized countries list
http://obesity.procon.org/view.resou...ceID=004371#II

[Ocean1]

Most likely loads of born again 40 & 50 something "bikers" returning to the fold and riding bikes that make four times the horsepower than the ones they rode "back in the day".

Yep. But that big lump in the riding age is fucking huge, the number of accidents is higher in there, but they're still the safest age demographic.

That don't support the "born again and can't handle it" hypothesis though, so it don't get much traction but the fact is novices are by far the crashingest bunch, as they've always been, and you bin less from there on up.

[pritch]

Eat less pies...
Check out the top 10 industrialized countries list
http://obesity.procon.org/view.resou...ceID=004371#II

That bears out what I thought, Britain and NZ are high on the list japan is ranked down in the sixties.

[Swoop]

I honestly think a lot of ex Japan bikes are more softly sprung than Kiwi new ones and put your average Kiwi biker on them and they are positively an accident waiting to happen.

Couple that with the fact that the 600cc range has very "budget" suspension to start with. A good sized bike with loads of potential for intermediate and advanced riders, which is let down by shoddy suspenders. Even more so if someone has had a pie too many.

[Coldrider]

There needs to be an alternative interest thought up as a cure for a midlife crisis maybe.

Actually there is, but it is as well as. Went back to my childhood, went fresh water fishing. Got taken (not kidnapped) out to sea fishing, wow, now have 200 hp 6.5 metre launch. Horsepower no problem, speed even less a problem, fuel consumption =grin factor, but back in the real world, even that world bubble is being busted with reality, blame etc if it goes wrong, but at the moment ACC is nonexistent except for petrol tax acc component, and road user levies on petrol for lakes, coastal regions and rivers that aren't roads, cunts.