Thinking of getting vaccinated?

**Virago** · 21st June 2016, 22:58

It must be time for a sheep picture intermission?

**Grumph** · 22nd June 2016, 05:53

Originally Posted by Virago

It must be time for a sheep picture intermission?

It's certainly due.

If no one but katman posts in this thread, how long before it goes to pink hell ?

he's demonstrably got no skin in the game so therefore is only interested in winding everyone else up...walk away.

**Katman** · 22nd June 2016, 08:40

Originally Posted by Grumph

It's certainly due.

If no one but katman posts in this thread, how long before it goes to pink hell ?

he's demonstrably got no skin in the game so therefore is only interested in winding everyone else up...walk away.

A couple of questions for you then.

Can you think of any sensible reason why babies are routinely given their first hepatitis B vaccine within hours of them being born?

And does it not bother you that a bill was passed in America that protects the pharmaceutical industry from legal action in the event of harm caused to anyone from receiving a vaccine?

**jonbuoy** · 22nd June 2016, 08:47

Is there a single medical procedure that has absolutely zero risk or side effects- ever read the possible side effects from paracetamol?

**Katman** · 22nd June 2016, 08:49

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Is there a single medical procedure that has absolutely zero risk or side effects- ever read the possible side effects from paracetamol?

Is there a real threat of new born babies contracting hepatitis B?

(I mean real as in significant enough that it outweighs the risks involved in injecting a pathogen into a newly born baby).

**jonbuoy** · 22nd June 2016, 08:54

Wouldn't that depend if the mother was infected? Of course there is a risk to everything we have done to us - you might not wake up from that routine operation or have a bad reaction to certain drugs. Most of us accept its worth the risk.

**Katman** · 22nd June 2016, 08:57

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Wouldn't that depend if the mother was infected?

Wouldn't it be more sensible to test the mother to find out if there is that risk?

**Ocean1** · 22nd June 2016, 09:45

Originally Posted by Katman

Wouldn't it be more sensible to test the mother to find out if there is that risk?

Maybe you should find out. Educate yourself. An MD with a post doc thesis in pathology would seem the bare minimum to qualify as a beginner in the field. Man of your obvious passion for the field orta knock that out inside 10 years.

Maybe another decade in applied research to fill in some of the blanks.

Then you'd know some of the answers to your questions, and just maybe everyone else would have some respect for your arguments.

You'd still be an obnoxious twat, but you'd be a qualified one.

**Katman** · 22nd June 2016, 09:50

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Maybe you should find out. Educate yourself. An MD with a post doc thesis in pathology would seem the bare minimum to qualify as a beginner in the field. Man of your obvious passion for the field orta knock that out inside 10 years.

Maybe another decade in applied research to fill in some of the blanks.

Then you'd know some of the answers to your questions, and just maybe everyone else would have some respect for your arguments.

You'd still be an obnoxious twat, but you'd be a qualified one.

Well I'll ask again.

Wouldn't it be more sensible to test the mother to find out whether the risk exists?

Or do you just like the idea of injecting a pathogen into a child who is only a few hours old?

(And before anyone feels the need to point it out - yes, I'm aware that New Zealand's immunisation schedule exercises slightly more caution by waiting till 6 weeks old).

**FatMax** · 22nd June 2016, 10:11

Originally Posted by Katman

Well I'll ask again.

Wouldn't it be more sensible to test the mother to find out whether the risk exists?

Or do you just like the idea of injecting a pathogen into a child who is only a few hours old?

(And before anyone feels the need to point it out - yes, I'm aware that New Zealand's immunisation schedule exercises slightly more caution by waiting till 6 weeks old).

Katman is asking a question here

Simple as that

Why dont you provide your answer to this debate rather than bang on about qualifications and such. From what I see he has the guts to express an opinion so why not give him the courtesy of a reply

I dont have an opinion cos I have nit really read up on this. FFS guys, either join the dabte or go lord it over someone else

**Maha** · 22nd June 2016, 10:20

Originally Posted by FatMax

From what I see he has the guts

Prime candidate for the Fat Bikers..

**Ocean1** · 22nd June 2016, 10:44

Originally Posted by Katman

Wouldn't it be more sensible to test the mother to find out whether the risk exists?

How is testing the mother going to establish whether the kid is going to encounter a life threatening contagion in it's first weeks of life?

Sounds like you're not even qualified to comment on making sense.

**Ocean1** · 22nd June 2016, 10:47

Originally Posted by FatMax

Katman is asking a question here

Simple as that

Why dont you provide your answer to this debate rather than bang on about qualifications and such. From what I see he has the guts to express an opinion so why not give him the courtesy of a reply

I dont have an opinion cos I have nit really read up on this. FFS guys, either join the dabte or go lord it over someone else

That's not guts, dude, it's plain ol' narcissism, he can't stand being seen to be wrong, it's as simple as that.

**TheDemonLord** · 22nd June 2016, 11:16

Originally Posted by Katman

Well I'll ask again.

Wouldn't it be more sensible to test the mother to find out whether the risk exists?

Would it be more sensible to wear a seatbelt only if you were a shit driver?

Originally Posted by Katman

Or do you just like the idea of injecting a pathogen into a child who is only a few hours old?

I like the idea of my child dieing a horrible death from preventable diseases even less. And further more - this statement is framed in a way that is quite fundamentally retarded (just like your beliefs - funny that)

Originally Posted by Katman

(And before anyone feels the need to point it out - yes, I'm aware that New Zealand's immunisation schedule exercises slightly more caution by waiting till 6 weeks old).

So there you have it - in one country the Medical community have assessed the evidence and based on that, made the decision that 6 weeks is the appropriate time, In another country (with differences in culture, Healthcare Policy, Ethinc make up and other factors) have assessed the evidence and based on that, made the decision that a few hours old is the appropriate time.