The death of the cheesecutter story

[Tony W]

Crusaders.

Give up on the WRB "campaign."
Accept your failure to effect any change.

Golly, you could all start a NEW campaign !. . .

How about getting rid of the biggest killer of bikers . . . . CORNERS !!!

OR . . maybe get rid of White Lines !!! . . that's a good one.

Please tell us in less than 3000 words, what your ideas are, for a NZ motorcycling panacea.

[Drew]

Like nothing at all?

I'd rather there was an W.R.B between me and oncoming traffic than nothing.

And I couldn't really care less where they get put.

With one exception. On the Wellington motorway, a concrete barrier was removed and replaced with an W.R.B. But I reckon it's less of an intentional thing, and more of a cock up in a quote or some such total rarity in NZ bureaucracy.

[Madness]

On the Wellington motorway, a concrete barrier was removed and replaced with an W.R.B. But I reckon it's less of an intentional thing, and more of a cock up in a quote or some such total rarity in NZ bureaucracy.

I think I remember when that happened and recall thinking at the time that it was likely done for emergency access, or for allowing the crossing of lanes when things like the Horokiwi waterfall has a one in 2,000 year flood or the side of the hill slips off. Both regular occurences, lol.

I was a back seat passenger in a car once many moons ago and the driver nodded off just past Horokiwi, heading south. The concrete barrier did SFA damage to the car but woke the driver up brilliantly. Nobody got hurt and we simply continued driving, might have been a different story with a WRB with up to 6mtrs defelction?.

[scumdog]

I was a back seat passenger in a car once many moons ago and the driver nodded off just past Horokiwi, heading south. The concrete barrier did SFA damage to the car but woke the driver up brilliantly. Nobody got hurt and we simply continued driving, might have been a different story with a WRB with up to 6mtrs defelction?.

They don't 'HAVE' to deflect the 6 metres - it's just they can.

And the silly prick driving needs a kick in the nads for 'nodding off'....with no barrier where would he be?

[MSTRS:Me]

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Please tell us in less than 3000 words, what your ideas are, for a NZ motorcycling panacea.

Don't need 3000 words....

Motorcyclists need to stop thinking the road is a race track, and stop treating every ride like it was a race. And as for dirty overtaking tactics...they need to stop that too.

Fucken wanker.

[oneofsix]

I think I remember when that happened and recall thinking at the time that it was likely done for emergency access, or for allowing the crossing of lanes when things like the Horokiwi waterfall has a one in 2,000 year flood or the side of the hill slips off. Both regular occurences, lol.

there's a Tui ad in there. The WRB have turnbuckles etc to allow this to happen but it never does. I suspect "emergency" is the wrong term. They might use it when the land slides and they need long term construction access. On the Puk Bay foreshore their "answer" is to install barrier arms to stop the traffic, guess this give emergency vehicles access to the right hand side of the road. Wouldn't it be better cheaper and more convenient all round to drop the wires? If not remove the WRB and replace with something safer.

[MSTRS:Me]

One of the 'selling features' of WRB along the Paekak shore was it can be dropped etc.
Yea right.
I recall a crash there that kept the road closed ALL DAY because the wires were not dropped.

[Ocean1]

One of the 'selling features' of WRB along the Paekak shore was it can be dropped etc.
Yea right.
I recall a crash there that kept the road closed ALL DAY because the wires were not dropped.

Yes. One of the special kits required to do the job was in Wgtn central and nobody had any idea where the other one was. The chances of getting the right tools to a crash site before they're no longer needed is always going to be approximately zero. Pity, I'd really enjoy watching them attempting the job.

The things are a joke, continuing attempts at justifying them are transparent bullshit. They're so far from any best practice that there's just about got to be some alterior motive. Wonder if it involves a backhander or just rank incompetence.

[oneofsix]

Yes. One of the special kits required to do the job was in Wgtn central and nobody had any idea where the other one was. The chances of getting the right tools to a crash site before they're no longer needed is always going to be approximately zero. Pity, I'd really enjoy watching them attempting the job.

The things are a joke, continuing attempts at justifying them are transparent bullshit. They're so far from any best practice that there's just about got to be some alterior motive. Wonder if it involves a backhander or just rank incompetence.

WTF, a crash/incident there and the volunteer fire service at Pae will be in attendence. Doesn't take much to work out to leave the Frigging kit with them or at the permanently manned Poruria Fire Station.

[Ocean1]

WTF, a crash/incident there and the volunteer fire service at Pae will be in attendence. Doesn't take much to work out to leave the Frigging kit with them or at the permanently manned Poruria Fire Station.

On foot? Keen man.

[MSTRS:Me]

Wonder if it involves a backhander or just rank incompetence.

Two for two.

[oneofsix]

On foot? Keen man.

Mr Plod, Ambos and fire get through. they have noisey thingees and pretty lights to assist them, its usually the cleanup crews what have issues and the fact that they can't redirect traffic around the site using the other half of the road.
This is where the selling point for the WRB fails, they did say it was quick and easy to drop the wire whereas it would be too hard to remove the concrete block barrier and yet they never drop the wires.

[scumdog]

Wouldn't it be better cheaper and more convenient all round to drop the wires? If not remove the WRB and replace with something safer.

Like a solid concrete barrier you CAN'T drop??

[oneofsix]

Like a solid concrete barrier you CAN'T drop??

If they aren't going to drop the wires then yes, go for the safer concrete block barrier. At least then when the hill side slips they can still forklift the blocks out.

[Ocean1]

Mr Plod, Ambos and fire get through.

Not in any semblance of good time they don't, not on that stretch of road, they've very effectively cut off any alternative lanes or shoulders. If you fuck up along there you'll be waiting a very long time for the ambulance.