My first poll for the NZ public

[mashman]

You must have missed school the day they explained that sustainability meant sticking around for a while.

Bit ironic eh?

Nah, the irony is you forgetting that if we had died out because we hadn't used capitalism, then we wouldn't be here. Maybe that's just a miracle

[Voltaire]

What value does the Banking System add?, seems to be a lot of overpaid execs doing fuck all for lots of money....

[Ocean1]

What value does the Banking System add?, seems to be a lot of overpaid execs doing fuck all for lots of money....

Overpaid execs? Aye, seems nobody's really sure if they're giving anyone good value for their money.

Banking system? Well, almost all private debt in NZ is mortgages. So without them, (or some reasonable facsimile thereof) fuck all of us would have a house.

[Akzle]

Overpaid execs? Aye, seems nobody's really sure if they're giving anyone good value for their money.

Banking system? Well, almost all private debt in NZ is mortgages. So without them, (or some reasonable facsimile thereof) fuck all of us would have a house.

i dont think you comprehend.

Without mortgages.... Every cunt would probably have a haus.

[Akzle]

What value does the Banking System add?, seems to be a lot of overpaid execs doing fuck all for lots of money....

hush now. Keep thinking (like that) and you might end up knowing something...

[Voltaire]

hush now. Keep thinking (like that) and you might end up knowing something...

I don't waste too much time thinking about things I can't control, that's what internet forums are for... moaning about stuff....now has the Missus ironed my shirt for tomorrow and is my laptop charged up ready for hard day of emails and spreadsheets

[Ocean1]

i dont think you comprehend.

Whereas I'm certain you haven't got a clue.

Without mortgages.... Every cunt would probably have a haus.

Yeah probably. How's that working for you, dude?

[Brian d marge]

It's just another label John, don't sweat it. The salient point is that the collective ideologies associated with the communist and socialist brands have all failed, whereas those generally aligned with the capitalist label are now the most successful societies the planet's ever seen.

Unless you're a parasite.

Oh please explain socialism and communism . . .as you see to be familiar with them

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[mashman]

i dont think you comprehend.

Without mortgages.... Every cunt would have a haus.

+1....................

[Voltaire]

Oh please explain socialism and communism . . .as you see to be familiar with them

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I was in the USSR briefly in 1989. Communism is where the population throws out a Monarchy or other system, a small group say they are not like them and will share the power.
The small group then run the place into the ground as using a stick is less motivating than using a carrot, and they hog what little wealth the poorly run state enterprises generate...oh and add corruption , lots of that.
Its a rubbish idea and best in the dustbin of history.
Moscow and Leningrad had some nice buildings but the Soviet era added nothing.

Socialism, in hindsight I think New Zealand had that up until Roger Fucking Douglas and his lot got into power.
Could not buy anything from overseas
Had to buy Made in New Zealand inferior products so as to keep work in the provinces
Houses were places you lived in rather than bought and sold for huge profits.
Public transport was what you used when the car was broken.

[mashman]

I was in the USSR briefly in 1989. Communism is where the population throws out a Monarchy or other system, a small group say they are not like them and will share the power.
The small group then run the place into the ground as using a stick is less motivating than using a carrot, and they hog what little wealth the poorly run state enterprises generate...oh and add corruption , lots of that.
Its a rubbish idea and best in the dustbin of history.
Moscow and Leningrad had some nice buildings but the Soviet era added nothing.

Socialism, in hindsight I think New Zealand had that up until Roger Fucking Douglas and his lot got into power.
Could not buy anything from overseas
Had to buy Made in New Zealand inferior products so as to keep work in the provinces
Houses were places you lived in rather than bought and sold for huge profits.
Public transport was what you used when the car was broken.

Not a rubbish idea, just a useless system under which to try it.

Not a rubbish idea, just a useless system under which to try it.

Spot the commonality .

[Voltaire]

Not a rubbish idea, just a useless system under which to try it.

Not a rubbish idea, just a useless system under which to try it.

Spot the commonality .

Well given the people who end up running places that try these systems, Adolf ( get in twubble for uttering his full name), Lenin, Mao, Ho and so on, your never going to get the Socialist/Communist Eutopia that dreamers dream of...a land where eveyone does their bit for the common good and all are equal.

I used to think the nearest anyone has come to that was England during the Blitz, but then apparently there were teams of looters and others disguised as Fire Wardens, with fake ambulances and so on.

People eh...

[mashman]

Well given the people who end up running places that try these systems, Adolf ( get in twubble for uttering his full name), Lenin, Mao, Ho and so on, your never going to get the Socialist/Communist Eutopia that dreamers dream of...a land where eveyone does their bit for the common good and all are equal.

I used to think the nearest anyone has come to that was England during the Blitz, but then apparently there were teams of looters and others disguised as Fire Wardens, with fake ambulances and so on.

People eh...

You've just described exactly what we have. The power in the hands of a few over the many. Decisions don't have to be made so, but the vested interest needs to be removed in order to get a "fair" result. Vested interest = money. There is no way to remove vested interest whilst money exists as the mechanism of trade. It's simply illogical to believe that we don't already live the way that you describe .

All because they could sell/trade it on for something they'd need eh. Shame all of the shit wasn't free, coz there was "enough" to go around, obviously.

People are ace... tis the financial system that twists what they're prepared to do in order to get ahead

[Voltaire]

You've just described exactly what we have. The power in the hands of a few over the many. Decisions don't have to be made so, but the vested interest needs to be removed in order to get a "fair" result. Vested interest = money. There is no way to remove vested interest whilst money exists as the mechanism of trade. It's simply illogical to believe that we don't already live the way that you describe .

All because they could sell/trade it on for something they'd need eh. Shame all of the shit wasn't free, coz there was "enough" to go around, obviously.

People are ace... tis the financial system that twists what they're prepared to do in order to get ahead

The current systems have been around since.....at least Egyptian times, some one at the top....lots of slaves at the bottom. These days it chained to a desk 8 hours a day and fed

Tele in the evenings. Still 3 weeks in India soon may give me an appreciation for the current system.

[Akzle]

Tele in the evenings. Still 3 weeks in India soon may give me an appreciation for the current system.

or ghonnoroea.