Australia to bug bikes?

**Steam** · 17th December 2007, 13:26

Originally Posted by Ixion

RFID tags do not (at present anyway) have anything like the range for that scenario.

But in the case of a proposed system for cars, they don't need to be Passive tags, they can be powered by the bike's electrics and therefore powerful. And the tags can send out the rego number of the car / number plate / what have you.

**jrandom** · 17th December 2007, 13:33

Originally Posted by Steam

But in the case of a proposed system for cars, they don't need to be Passive tags, they can be powered by the bike's electrics and therefore powerful. And the tags can send out the rego number of the car / number plate / what have you.

Singapore uses a system along those lines for motorway tolls. Transceivers on bridges and whatnot debit money from your vehicle's prepaid toll account as you drive past. If you don't top up on time and drive through without enough credit, a fine is issued.

I know little of the system architecture, in terms of whether the smarts are contained in the car unit or in a centrally networked system between the sensors (I would suspect the latter, with car units just broadcasting an ID and being affixed to the car in some tamper-resistant fashion), but, well, there you go. Big Brother is already watching.

**mstriumph** · 17th December 2007, 13:37

the more determined THEY get
the more determined I get
ho hum

**Hitcher** · 17th December 2007, 14:51

The no-front-plates-on-motorcycles issue has been a supporating sore on the arse of Australian traffic "planners" for some years. If RFID won't work, then sure as eggs they'll find something that will. Or bikers will have to fit forward-facing regos. And given that our traffic boneheads looks to Australia for inspiration, be afraid...

**James Deuce** · 17th December 2007, 15:11

It seems to me that in these days of high definition digital cameras, a longitudinal sticker on the mudguard would be good enough to be picked up by a speed camera.

Why go for the difficult options first?

**The Pastor** · 17th December 2007, 15:42

if they fit devices to your bike, surely you may happen to "drop the bike" or spill petrol on said device. just beat it with a hammer, she'll be right. then every time you get one, say it broke and make them order you a new one _b

Knowing them, they will make you pay for the units tho, and have a law saying you must have a working on on ur bike at all times.

**davereid** · 17th December 2007, 20:20

You guys are wayyyyy behind. The Electronic Toll road issue has already solved most of these problems, and the infrastructure is ALREADY in place.

All we lack is the electronic tags.

Don't believe me ?

Next time you are on your bike, on ANY state highway, and you come to an intersection, slow down so you have time to look for nutters AND little green boxes.

You will see a small, light green box, at almost all intersections, one in each possible direction of travel.

I'll take a photo of one tomorrow and post it, but just open your eyes, and you will see them.

What do they do ?

They are the backbone of electronically tolled roads and automated speeding tickets.

They already know that they will face a backlash of disconnected Electronic Tags - so they have built the enforcement system first.. before even discussing the tags.

How do they work ?

Sensors in the road at every intersection record your vehicles axel weights, speed, and axel spacing. So, without even needing to put a tag in your vehicle, or read your number plate, they can follow you on your ride. Even make a very good guess as to the make and model of your vehicle.

So when you disco the electronic tag, you will be easy to follow and ticket.

Google "Hyder consulting" "Intelligent transport systems " etc.

Hyder Consulting recenly purged their website of all the data, they don't even mention NZ now, but some of their promo pics still show NZ scenes.

**Ocean1** · 18th December 2007, 00:22

Hmmm...

OK, off the top of me 'ead.

Ditch all the dainty delicate stuff like the ECU and related transducers.

Install a magneto.
Install a fucking huge EMP generator, triggered by proximity to anything small, green and attempting to read RFtags.

Edit: all's fair in love, war and tax avoidance.

**jimbo600** · 18th December 2007, 06:41

Originally Posted by Usarka

Time checks between two fixed speed cameras.

Known distance / time, = average speed.

So even if you slow down for both cameras, whammo you get a ticket based on speed between two cameras.

This does happen in some parts of the world via toll bridges. Some clever bastard has setup a coffee cart in front of the toll gate and folk park up and have a brew thereby lowering their average speed.

Now RFID chips could be argued to be some form of vehicle tracking, and if so the authorities would require a warrant in order to use them on your car/bike etc.

**James Deuce** · 18th December 2007, 06:45

Originally Posted by jimbo600

authorities would require a warrant in order to use them on your car/bike etc.

No, just a law change that all NZers will support because they allow every Big Brother move to happen provided some brainless intellectual tells them it's all about safety. The statistics support it. Speeding kills.

**Usarka** · 18th December 2007, 07:00

And because we'll be told "if you're not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about"...

and another bolt's tightened.

**Usarka** · 18th December 2007, 07:07

Thanks davereid... it looks like it really is a conspiracy this time.

Plenty of documents referring to Hyder... Like this one http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/res...eports/302.pdf skip to page 90 for the stuff on speed enforcement.....

**Monsterbishi** · 18th December 2007, 08:18

Originally Posted by davereid

Next time you are on your bike, on ANY state highway, and you come to an intersection, slow down so you have time to look for nutters AND little green boxes.

You will see a small, light green box, at almost all intersections, one in each possible direction of travel.

Whilst that technology is available for the counter setups, New Zealand doesn't use it with the exception of counting traffic volume to establish AADT(Annual average daily traffic) Which we use for calculating neat things like delay times in large worksites, wear rates for the paving, etc.

In my experience working as a STMS on the transit network, being present for the installation of the loops(The things you see in the road that look like large octagons drawn on the ground next to the green boxes) - I am yet to see a site with the secondary induction lines to be able to measure distance/time.

**avgas** · 18th December 2007, 08:45

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Hmmm...

OK, off the top of me 'ead.

Ditch all the dainty delicate stuff like the ECU and related transducers.

Install a magneto.
Install a fucking huge EMP generator, triggered by proximity to anything small, green and attempting to read RFtags.

Edit: all's fair in love, war and tax avoidance.

Oh god, we are going back to those ol' spitfire HT Leads again aren't we????? And i just but that humming from my mates mini out of my head too...